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Compilation album

No source listed says anything about this album being a “studio album” or her fifth album, they all just say “new album” which is vague. The NPR source I provided says “the album feels like much more than a compilation of outtakes from her last release. Dedicated Side B could have easily functioned as a stand-alone record.” It could have been a stand alone record but it isn’t. It is a compilation of outtakes from the actual album.Gagaluv1 (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That is purely someone's opinion on it. All they said was what they think it "feels" like, purely subjective. There's no official source calling it a "compilation album", so it should therefore be a studio album by default. Just because it's made from outtakes doesn't mean it's not a studio album. It's being released on all formats, CD, cassette, vinyl, digital, streaming. This release is similar to The 20/20 Experience and The 20/20 Experience – 2 of 2. Before Dedicated even came out, she mentioned that she was gonna release another album with songs from these sessions. — Status (talk · contribs) 17:33, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No source says it is a compilation either. The generally accepted definition of such, is that it is at least substantially already-released material. Any album is a compilation of something. That's what an album is (see synonyms of the second sense of compilation at OED). I agree classification of this is tricky, and Emotion Side B was probably easier precisely because it was shorter, and an EP doesn't generally have subtypes of "studio EP" etc. But, to use the LP analogy from which "Side B" is spawned, it is then the "other side" of Dedicated. And if Dedicated is a studio album, and this on its face also meets the normal definition of a studio album, the default case is that this is also a studio album. Marketing dictates a lot about how albums are categorised by the media, and then on Wikipedia (see Pop 2 (mixtape) and then try to explain what made it a "mixtape" instead of a studio album)- Estoy Aquí (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have a feeling it won't be entirely clear until she's released her next album, whether it is referred to as her fifth or sixth. But for now, it's being referred to as an "companion album", "surprise album" or simply an "album". And unless it's specifically referred to as a mixtape or compilation, then it's a studio album. — Status (talk · contribs) 17:39, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is a studio album, like Dedicated Part 2. The only time I'd consider an album of all new, previously unreleased material a compilation is if the material is several years old. But since this is material from the same sessions of most recent release and she mentioned the possibility of a second album prior to the release of Dedicated, I consider it a studio album and not a compilation album. Benjichilders (talk)

The question of chronology is one that I think is more debatable. I think the intro should avoid describing it as the "fifth" studio album for this reason. Even if it's considered to be a studio album, its "canonical" numbering in Jepsen's chronology may be considered to be part of Dedicated and not its own entry. - Estoy Aquí (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I can agree with that compromise. That’s my main issue, I feel like chronologically this album is more of a continuation of the original than a new album, so calling it the fifth album seems premature.Gagaluv1 (talk) 18:09, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like a typical "gift for the fans" release to me, the album version of a "promotional single" if you will. We should class this as a studio album or a mixtape depending on what sources say, though it is definitely not a compilation album.—N Ø 19:02, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I had an idea, that we could change the opening sentence to something like "Dedicated Side B is the second part of Dedicated, the fourth studio album by Canadian singer Carly Rae Jepsen". This avoids classifying Side B as anything specific, other than a sequel to Dedicated, which is what all the articles also seem to state.--N Ø 13:48, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Japan listing of the album calls it compilation album of Carly Rae Jepsen includes tracks not included in her album, "Dedicated (2019)." — Status (talk · contribs) 10:45, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Unless anybody objects to calling this as a compilation based on the link Status gave, I recommend we use that for now. No prejudice against reclassifying it if further elaboration later comes along from Carly and/or her label on what type of release this is. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 20:16, 22 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should keep it as a studio album. If it came out in, let's say, the 70s, it would have most likely been marketed as a regular collection of songs, and we would retrospectively classify it as a studio album. We live in a strange time where singles became 'promotional singles' only because they didn't perform well, and studio albums are put out as 'mixtapes' because the label didn't want them released. 1000MHz (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2601:48:8100:9740:5966:8715:5e5f:3746, as you can read in the discussion above, four users: Estoy Aquí, Status, Gagaluv1, as well as myself settled on calling it a studio album but not assigning it a chronological number in Jepsen's discography. Two users, Status and SNUGGUMS, entertained the possibility of labelling it a compilation album. And a grand total of zero (0) users have concluded that it should be labelled her "fifth studio album". I suggest you respect the consensus for the time being. You have also violated Wikipedia's WP:BRD policy on this article already, continually edit warring to restore a non-stable version.--N Ø 15:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, there is an article that specifically calls the album her fifth studio album. It’s on MXDWN.com. I would include a link to it, however Wikipedia won’t let me bc apparently that site is on their blacklist. While I’m unable to include it here, I am however able to cite it on the article page. I actually had done so, but MaranoFan reverted my edit. But either way, we have an official article that states it is her fifth studio album. I was under the impression that Wikipedia cared less about the opinions of its editors, and more about established news sources. Someone can please correct me if that isn’t the case, but I believe having an article that states it is her fifth studio album is reason enough to have it listed as such here. 2601:48:8100:9740:5966:8715:5E5F:3746 (talk) 16:00, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this source wasn’t hard to find at all. All I did was type “Carly Rae Jepsen Dedicated Side B Fifth Studio Album” into google, and it was one of the first results that came up. This directly contradicts the claim made by another user that no source exists that refers to it as her fifth studio album. 2601:48:8100:9740:9507:C9CF:9989:3E01 (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2601:48:8100:9740:5966:8715:5e5f:3746, thank you for discussing this. When sources conflict on things like these, we defer to editorial consensus. In this case, almost all reliable sources simply referred to it as a "sister album" or "companion album" to Dedicated, not opting to call it her fifth studio album. Jepsen herself opted for the former distinction. On top of that, Wikipedia editors also had a discussion (which you can see above) that concluded on just calling it a studio album and not giving it her chronological order. MXDWN is not a reputed source, definitely not reliable enough to take precedence over Jepsen's own words. Now, my opinion is that we should keep the current wording until Jepsen releases her next studio album and things become more clear.--N Ø 16:13, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not calling it her fifth studio album makes no sense. It is listed on her discography page under studio albums, and it is the fifth one listed. It is also on her main page, once again as the fifth album under discography. I suppose we could wait to see if she refers to her next album as her fifth or sixth, however I seriously don’t understand how this album can’t be seen as her fifth. It’s an album, and it’s her fifth. 2601:48:8100:9740:5966:8715:5E5F:3746 (talk) 16:17, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You can start an WP:RFC if you are that passionate about it. But there's really no point since there has been no new development since the last time editors had a discussion about this. As a compromise, I think it's best if we wait to have that discussion till her next album is released. To get a clear picture.--N Ø 16:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]